Re: It's official

[Ovich]

To make things really gross, you can take an all Zombie horde and give your vampires Master of the Black arts, instead of their normal stuff. This will give you 6 for the Lord and 3 for each Vampire giving you a wopping total of 17 powerdice in a 2000 pt game.

Problem with this is that

A. You need a buttload of Zombies
B. Vampires can't sit inside zombie units so are more vulnerable.

[Dr. Love]

and dont zombies cause fear?

[ImAShakiraholic]

DUDE!!!! I WANT A ZOMBIE HORDE NOW!!!!
They never kill anything but they never die!!!

[Ovich]

yeah.. You surround all of your vampires in a Necro Bunker, hunkered down between 8 units of 30 zombies. You put all your vampires in the front rank of a 10 man skellie unit with the Drakenhoff banner. Warmachines and ballistic units on a hill will get like 2 turns of shooting at the vampires, at which point Zombies will be raised in front of them and then charged with Dance Macabre. After that, it's all over.

[luis the young]

lol, insane , just insane.

naa, dont bring your empire, bring the VCs, i gotta learn to play against the bastards, as frustating as it will be !

[Diosamblet]

What's funny is that I'm so disgusted with 10+ power dice lists right now that I feel guilty about building a Tzeentch Daemons list hahahah

[luis the young]

What's funny is that I'm so disgusted with 10+ power dice lists right now that I feel guilty about building a Tzeentch Daemons list hahahah

Looks like GW wants to go back to the days where magic rulled the games, lol, im waiting to see what crazines the new Skaven book will have for magic, their magic was always ...interesting.

Im thinking of getting me another army, but undecided between Skaven or Lizardmen, i gotta convince some poor sucker in bartertown to trade all my Tau for His Skaven or Lizardmen

[the wanderer]

Ya know, it is interesting to watch and read how you feel about the VC and what the TK have and all the magic the Demons have. It maybe that GW is leaning toward magic. REMEMBER, what was said, themed armies with the codex fluff isn't cool. Winning is the game, and is all that matters, at all costs. It only matters to power up a army and chez it, then crush your opponnet and show your superiority and greatness. To hell with the scrubs, geeks, newbies, and fluff / themed armies!! Domination is Life, Praise be to Crush.

[Ovich]

That's just the thing Dale, the Vampire army, as is, with all it's powerdice, DOES fit it's fluff. A vampire Lord would naturally have vampire vassals. And if he happened to be a vampire well versed in necromancy, wouldn't his underlings be fairly well versed as well? And being that they are good at Necromancy, wouldn't it make sense that the army would primarily be composed of skelletons, zombies, and grave guard. The only thing someone could say doesn't exactly fit the fluff would be having 2 vargulfs.

Same can be said of Tzeentch and Tomb Kings. Seems like GW is making their fluff fit the abusive type and less the well balanced type of armies. Look at the High Elves. They changed the fluff to make them even a more elite army then they were.. So now, if you try and take a balanced high elf list, with Silver Helms and Spearmen, you're actually being UNFLUFFY.

BTW, Luis, please go for the Ratmen, as we have only 1 skaven player. I am halfway done building my lizardmen and don't want you copying my ideas

[scurrdi]

Chessy lists are what they are and I personally grow tired of them very quickly. As with any game you can easily find ways to bend the rules and make the game nuts.

I'd love to see a tournament where the players had to have the majority of their points in core selections. Make things a little more interesting I think. Then again who knows.


Either way, the most recent Fantasy armies (save for Hordes who are getting redone) have all been major power boosts. The question is only how high will they try to go, because every army out recently (High Elves, VCs, and Deamons) all have had quite nasty potential. It's really about how you play the game. I just hate playing chessy lists.

[Ovich]

Dan,
I really like the idea you have. We should have Joel host a tournament where like 1000 pts of your army must be core, and no more than 500 can be Heroes. That would be interesting.

[luis the young]

Ok, gonna see if i start me building a ratmen army, is gonna take a while though, unless i can get some good deals

Biggest problem with the TKs now vs VCs is that TKs lack variety, BIG TIME, most of our magic items are crap, and you always know what you are going to be facing- king on foot? hes gonna have DoE and Collar, Hierophant will always have cloak and jar, and so on.

Anyone wanna play a game of fantasy this thursday at joels/square ??

[Ovich]

Luis,
Talk to Jerry. He has a humongo skaven army, already built that he's willing to part ways with. I was gonna buy it myself , but I just have too much shit right now.

[luis the young]

Thanks bud, but im short on Dinero atm, so im looking to get rid of my Tau that i have used twice in 6 months got a couple of good offers allready, looks like the lizardmen offer is better right now, we'll see, i have set the lure and i have a few fish nibbling at it, just got to make it lok good enough that the big fish will bite

[scurrdi]

Go for the ratmen!

And yeah Stephan, it would be an interesting tournament to see. Of course probably the most list-abusable armies in that situation would be Empire/Dwarves, but other then that I think it'd be a fun tournament to see what would happen. Really bring out the general-ship in people.