Re: GW Finally Releases it's Get You By -- Chaos Mortal Army List

[Ovich]

I think overall it takes quite some time to understand the full ramifications of changes that have been made to an army.

Case in point. The empire.

When I first got that book, I could've wiped my ass with the pages I was so disappointed. A couple of worthless new units (the hellstorm and outriders), a removal of one of my favorite units (knights of the white wolf), the nerfing of everyone's favorite units (flaggelants and hellblaster) and of course the fact that the engineer would prove to be just as useless as always. Sure, combat troops got 1 point cheaper, but missile units stayed the same.

What I've realized is that the army is certainly more powerful than it was and has more choices overall than it had before. So overall, the empire was not as screwed as I first thought.

Now High Elves and VCs, in my opinion have been boosted to the point where both lists can be very abusive. But time still needs to be given to these armies to determine how bad the changes really are.

This mortal Chaos list will be changed in the long run, and I have an inkling that the new mortal army book will be just as powerful upon first inspection as these newest army books.

[Ovich]

That new Tzeenth item that allows the sorcerer to pick any dice he wants and reroll them when casting is flat out BROKEN.

I need a 12 to cast this spell... Hmm I rolled a 6 , 3, 1, and 1, ... hmmm I'll take those 2 1s and reroll them... oh look at that, I got another six... It's irresistible force !!!!

[Diosamblet]

Its in the old army book Stephan... for 5 points less haha.

[Ovich]

no shit?

How come Pembroke Bill never takes that shit.

[luis the young]

It prob sounds better than it is.

[Diosamblet]

I think his 2000 pt list doesn't use lords? It's a great item, allowing you to virtually cast all your spells and avoid any miscasts. Heh, under the new "mixing gods is A-OK" policy, I could take a Tzeentch lord and keep the rest slaanesh.

[lordfairfax2001]

That new Tzeenth item that allows the sorcerer to pick any dice he wants and reroll them when casting is flat out BROKEN.

I need a 12 to cast this spell... Hmm I rolled a 6 , 3, 1, and 1, ... hmmm I'll take those 2 1s and reroll them... oh look at that, I got another six... It's irresistible force !!!!

Except in the old book if you cast irresistable once, it stopped working for the rest of the game. Other then that...I think it's the same.

[ShadowMaster]

I used the Staff of Change in the Ard Boys list, but not in the June GT tourney because I did not take the Lord (went 2 Exalted Champs).

A weakness exploitd by my Slaanesh brothers and his Lord on Snake thing.

The new staff is only for casting and is 70 points
The old staff is for casting and dispel rolls and is only 65 points

Golden Eye is now 40 (up from 30), which eliminates the common combo of the above items on a Lord on Disc (which lets him fly around casting without being easily shot down).

FYI - GW Rules for GT Tourney play lists the HOC book as a legal army option. White Dwarf list is just a glimpse of what is most likely to come.