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Post by zephel on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:02 pm

So i'm thinking about rolling with one of these two lists. What do you guys think. Both are 2k lists

Eldrad
Warlock 3x 3x desctructor
Harlequinn 9x 8x kisses, 2 fusion pistols, shadowseer
Banshees 10x Exarch w/ acrobat
Dire Avenger 10x Exarch w/bladestorm, duel catapult
Dire Avenger 10x Exarch w/bladestorm, duel catapult
Warp spider 7x Exarch w/ Duel spinner, PB, Withdraw
Warp spider 6x Exarch w/ spinnert rifle, PB, Withdraw
Wave serphant TL BL, star engines
Wraithlord EML, BL, 2x Flamers
"Spiderlord" EML, BL, 2x Flamers
Fire Prisim Star engines


Or

Eldrad
Asuremen
Warlock 3x 3x desctructor 1x spiritseer
Harlequinn 9x 8x kisses, 2 fusion pistols, shadowseer
Banshees 10x Exarch w/ full upgrade and executioner
Dire Avenger 7x None
Dire Avenger 8x Exarch w/ Blasestorm, Duel catapult
Dire Avenger 7x Exarch w/ Blasestorm, Duel catapulta
Warp spider 7x Exarch w/ Duel spinner, PB, Withdraw
Warp spider 6x Exarch w/ spinnert rifle, PB, Withdraw
Wraithlord EML, BL, 2x Flamers
Wave serphant TL BL, star engines
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by jspyd3rx on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:49 am

I don't understand? I thought all eldar list had a mandatory requirement of at least six skimmers? Doesn't seem right.
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by Vycem on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:04 am

Both list seem to have very few vehicles each, which means all of your opponent antitank weapons will down it turn one.

Both lists seem to be very light in antitank weaponry. The first list is slightly better in that you have two wraithlords and a fire prism, giving you long range punch.

Overall both armies seem really slow for Eldar. I would drop the banshees and add another harlequin unit. The harlequins are faster due to ignoring terrain, their fusion pistols can knock out vehicles if they have to, and the shadowseer gives them a cover save. Banshees just hang out naked and cry at the sight of a rhino.

Personally, I think with eldar you either go with the vehicles or you don't. Maybe use list one, but drop the vehicles and use 3 wraithlords and two units of harlequins fully kitted out. Maybe drop a warp spider unit for more troops with weapon platforms. The harlequins can serve as an aggressive shield for the army, backed up by the wraith lords, while troops sit on objectives and torrent away.

Just my opinion though, you'd be better served by advice from the pro Eldar players in the group.

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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:10 am

If i had the money for another squad of harlies and wraithlord i'd probally do it >_> . But no, i'm not crazy about using skimmers. And these two lists I made ecause those are the avaliable units i have ( will have have)
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by Vycem on Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:35 am

I completely understand working with what you have. My big advice is minimize the vehicles then. Also, have you thought of using the Avatar? He's pretty good at buffing foot armies, and he'd give you a 4th MC threat.

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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:11 pm

Well i've heard that the avatar is meh. But don't i have enough anti tank with the two fusion guns, the two wraithlords with their EML/ BL and the fire prisim?
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by The Eldar Guy on Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:55 pm

The avatar is good with walking eldar, especially with wraithlords to spread the anti-tank. Definitely better teamed up with eldrad than asurman.

Its hard to get a decent amount of anti-tank in an eldar list. Eldar mech lists tend to have a lot more platforms to put anti-tank on and in (fire dragons); they also tend to put out a lot of str-6 shooting. Most competitive eldar lists are going to have 2-3 5man firedragon squads in serpents.

Definitely prefer the first list, although its light on troops. Drop the 3 warlocks; expensive and extremely easy to kill.
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:53 pm

Ok knocking out the warlocks will drop to 1900. I think what I will do is find a way to to drop an extra 45 pts and add the avatar
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:21 am

Ok, what about this list
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3x wraithlords eml/bl
7x rangers or pathfinders
7xrangers 0r pathfinders
3 10x quinns- Deathjester, troupe master, shadowseer in each squad and 7 kisses/2 fusion pistols per squad.

for the pathfinders the squad will be smaller
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by The Eldar Guy on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:57 am

zephel wrote:Ok, what about this list
Eldrad
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3x wraithlords eml/bl
7x rangers or pathfinders
7xrangers 0r pathfinders
3 10x quinns- Deathjester, troupe master, shadowseer in each squad and 7 kisses/2 fusion pistols per squad.

for the pathfinders the squad will be smaller

For capture and control you're going to have a serious problem claiming your opponent's objective, so any hope of a massacre is slim. In a list like this, in theory, 10x Wraithguard as troops would work well (although they're 150$...).
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:10 pm

The Eldar Guy wrote:
zephel wrote:Ok, what about this list
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3x wraithlords eml/bl
7x rangers or pathfinders
7xrangers 0r pathfinders
3 10x quinns- Deathjester, troupe master, shadowseer in each squad and 7 kisses/2 fusion pistols per squad.

for the pathfinders the squad will be smaller

For capture and control you're going to have a serious problem claiming your opponent's objective, so any hope of a massacre is slim. In a list like this, in theory, 10x Wraithguard as troops would work well (although they're 150$...).
WEll, i had been reading that this list is actually pretty heavy with pinning. Almost every model besides the avatar can pinn
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by chef xenos on Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:27 pm

that is true zephel but against a list like mine where i ignore pinning test you will have your work cut out for you
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:25 pm

The Eldar Guy wrote:
zephel wrote:Ok, what about this list
Eldrad
Avatar
3x wraithlords eml/bl
7x rangers or pathfinders
7xrangers 0r pathfinders
3 10x quinns- Deathjester, troupe master, shadowseer in each squad and 7 kisses/2 fusion pistols per squad.

for the pathfinders the squad will be smaller

For capture and control you're going to have a serious problem claiming your opponent's objective, so any hope of a massacre is slim. In a list like this, in theory, 10x Wraithguard as troops would work well (although they're 150$...).
Also, i cant forget, wraithguard are pretty point heavy. Man after playing yestarday I have just realized how much of a steep and difficult learning curve eldar are.
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:16 pm

Yo chris, i need your opinion on what oyu think i should run with on saturday. Should i roll with the team i used against you making use of dire avengers or should i run with this original list of rangers/pathfinders?
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by The Eldar Guy on Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:40 pm

Both? Leave some pathfinders on the home front.
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Re: Need critisim on these two lists

Post by zephel on Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:00 pm

I guess i can try that out. The single wave serphhant is gonna be such a huge target lol
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