Dragon Armor vs Burning Blade of Chotec

On Warseer I posted a question of whether dragon armor made attacks from flaming attacks useless and the responce has been crazy.

I a nutshell, they state that if a weapon has flaming attack on it it will do no damage at all to a model wearing Dragon armor.

If you want to see the whole post check out the link below. Be warned it is at 52 posts and counting...

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132631

The whole flaming not having any effect on Dragon Armor was covered in previous errata:

It states:

Q: Are models wearing Dragon armor immune to hits from the Screaming Skull Catapult, since they are flaming hits? Same question with the Chariot of Fire's impact hits (and Dwarf war machine with Rune of Burning, by the way).

A: They are only immunite to 'pure' flame attacks such as Flame Cannons, Dragon's Breath, Warpfire throwers, Lore of Fire attack spells and the like. They are not immune to cannonballs, Chariot scythes, screaming skulls or anything else that also happens to be on fire! (Note: they are not immune to Tzeentch spells)

A flaming sword will still wound the model, only the additional benefit from the flaming portion of the sword will be ignored. In the case of the Burning Blade, its rules state that a target struck by the blade suffers a -2 penalty to their armor save. It then adds that all attacks count as flaming.

The order of the wording makes me believe that the -2 armor save is a result of the magic in the weapon and not a result of it being on fire. The fire benefit only comes into play against flammable models (Treemen, Tomb Kings/Princes, etc.) or models with regeneration (Trolls and the like). So, the target suffers a -2 penalty to their armor save if wearing Dragon Armor, but it ignores any affects caused by flaming attacks (so can regenerate and won't double wounds taken if its flammable).

In the case of High Elves, the only model that would be affected is Tyrion, as he has regeneration. Normally, he would not be able to take his regeneration save against wounds from a flaming sword, but as he's wearing armor that counts as Dragon Armor, he ignores the effects of flaming attacks and gets to take his regeneration save anyway. He still suffers the -2 to his armor save in addition to modifiers because of the user's strength.

This has been put in errata over and over and over again and people still keep trying to make Dragon Armor better then it is. The only time the -2 would not apply would be if it were granted as a result of the blade being on fire, in the case of the Burning Blade...the blade causes the -2, and it also counts as flaming; hence, -2 to your armor save you cheesy Elf-playin' git! Hey, I'm a High Elf player and would benefit from Dragon Armor being all-powerful against things that are made of fire, or are on fire, so have no reason to mislead you on this interpretation.

is javi hoping to make the faries even more tough than they are.

I called GW and they indeed stated that the Draogn armor is immune to flaming attacks, period. The rules are quite clear about flaming attacks.

As for the Errata, it is worthless since if you look at it closely it is for the last Army book and not the current one. Things have changed sine 6th edition.

Being immune to Flaming attakcs means just that. It does not say anywhere that it is immune to the flame portion for the attack.

javi lives.

3 posts for Javi.. Woot !!

question bout the gayness of dragon Prince armor. The screaming Skull catapult ammo counts as Flaiming and Magical. Does this means that if a unit of Dragon Princes gets hit by it, they would be immune to it ? o rwoudl they still take the strength 8 hit for being hit by a stone trower type weapon ?

I would assume, following the logic of the "Immune to Flaming Attacks" that they would be immune to it, after reading the statements above regarding it.

Just how Treeman and others are directly effected by ALL flaming attacks (magical or otherwise). Dragon Armor protects them from ALL flaming attacks.

so if im in a fire proof suite and someone drops a 2 ton flaming boulder on me nothing happens...Im fire proof. well it makes sense, their Elves...as if going first in hand to hand no matter what was bullshit enough.

Just High elf rules lawyering..
tell the next HE player who claims this bullshit in a friendly game to shove it up their ass.

thats the biggest load of crap, cannon balls also count as flaming, so if a puny t3 elf gets hit by a stg 10 cannon ball, we are assuming that their armor makes them IMMNUNE to the cannonball hit just because the 30 pound solid ball of metal happens to be on fire ? so if Dragons are immune to flamign attacks, that means that a cannon cant hurt them at all ?? Thats the stupidest ruling GW has EVER made...

Wait, since when have cannonballs been considered flamming attacks?

They're not, unless your a dwarf and you give your cannon the rune of burning.

Warlord Solskritt wrote:They're not, unless your a dwarf and you give your cannon the rune of burning.

yeah that, forgot to specify who gets it.

What if something is Flaming AND Magical ? will this means that yes they are immune to the flaming porting, but the magical goes through ??

Abaddon wrote:I called GW and they indeed stated that the Draogn armor is immune to flaming attacks, period. The rules are quite clear about flaming attacks.

You must have gotten a noob, which is the reason they stopped answering in e-mail form...

Yes, they are immune to "pure" flaming attacks, but are still hurt by the "physical" portion of the weapon. And, call GW three more times and you'll get at least two more different answers. The armor protects you from the fire, not the blade, or rock, or chariot, or what ever happens to be on fire. Read my answer from the Q&A again. If you are playing in a tournament I'm running and wearing Dragon Armor, or you are in a game against me...your model, in Dragon Armor, will get wounded by a sword on fire.

lordfairfax2001 wrote:Q: Are models wearing Dragon armor immune to hits from the Screaming Skull Catapult, since they are flaming hits? Same question with the Chariot of Fire's impact hits (and Dwarf war machine with Rune of Burning, by the way).

A: They are only immunite to 'pure' flame attacks such as Flame Cannons, Dragon's Breath, Warpfire throwers, Lore of Fire attack spells and the like. They are not immune to cannonballs, Chariot scythes, screaming skulls or anything else that also happens to be on fire! (Note: they are not immune to Tzeentch spells)

To support my belief, please see the portion highlighted in red...this is a direct quote from the Q&A.

Abaddon wrote:As for the Errata, it is worthless since if you look at it closely it is for the last Army book and not the current one. Things have changed sine 6th edition.

That is true, but the rules, description, and therefore, interpretation of the effect of, Dragon Armor have not...People have tried and tried for years to make Dragon Armor more then it is. GW keeps re-FAQ'ing it to let people know that it's not all-powerful, then when editions change, people go back to the "it ignores fire, period...even the things on fire" crap, which is just that...crap. So, Luis, you are correct...if a T3 elf gets hit by a S10 cannonball on fire...he is still squashed...he doesn't get burned, but he does get squashed -- either way, he's dead.

Abaddon wrote:Being immune to Flaming attakcs means just that. It does not say anywhere that it is immune to the flame portion for the attack.

See the answer portion of my post again...it does state that you are immune to flame attacks, but not immune to damage from the thing on fire. Seems pretty clear to me, and as they keep putting the same answer in their FAQs when people ask the same question, one would think people would understand that.

people like to beat the system. if you dont agree with Sam after all of this information then your simply a cheater and a system beater.Im gonna assume Javi is just trying to get a rise out of people. I hope he doesnt believe the bullshit he posted.