Dragon Armor vs Burning Blade of Chotec

No I am not trying to get a rise. I am stating a valid point.

The very important difference is, that the wording of the dwarfen item is "fire attacks". The term fire attacks isn't in the rules. So the FAQ makes clear that fire attacks are all those attacks, that rely only on fire to do damage.

But the dragon armor makes immun to all flaming attacks.
And the term flaming attack is in the rules.
It is every single attack with the special rule flaming attack.

So the dragon armor makes fully immune to all flaming attacks, including screaming skull catapults, burning blades, some dwarfen runic warmachines...

If they were only immune to the fire part of an attack why would they make the armor Immune to flaming attacks since they are not flamable. It seems to me that it would be a waste of an ability for non flameable models. Besides what is the bid deal? They are ST3 models, its not like they are chaos knights or anything.

Abaddon wrote:So the dragon armor makes fully immune to all flaming attacks, including screaming skull catapults, burning blades, some dwarfen runic warmachines...

The only issue I have with your statement (remember, I'm a High Elf player, who loves his Dragon Prince unit), is that the FAQ specifically states that the models are still wounded by the screaming skull catapults. Also, if you've played WHFB for any length of time, you know that GW is very imprecise in it's word choice, hence the reason there are so many FAQs out there. So, while I do on principle agree with your statements, the FAQs (remember more then one edition have been answered in the way above), disagree.

If, as Bill says, you're just trying to get a rise out of me...you're wasting your time...I'm in the military and have 3 children...nothing about this game will get a rise out of me. So, best of luck with your interpretation, I'm sure some noob will let you get away with it.

Abaddon wrote:
If they were only immune to the fire part of an attack why would they make the armor Immune to flaming attacks since they are not flamable. It seems to me that it would be a waste of an ability for non flameable models. Besides what is the bid deal? They are ST3 models, its not like they are chaos knights or anything.

They make them Immune to Fire because in the world of warhammer we have Dragons that breathe fire, Dwarven Flame cannons, Wizards that use fire based spells, And several other things that use PURE fire or that do D6+ FIRE damage/wounds, THATS why they are immune to fire. Immune to fire doesnt make you immune to 70 lbs of Skulls or a 30 lbs cannon ball hitting you on the chest. And as Sam pointed out, this was addressed several times via FAQs

I am not trying to get a rise. I am just trying to make a point that the wording seems to be very specific in this matter with the Dragon princes. You look at the previous High Elf book and you will notice that the wording for dragon armor has changed.

Flaming attacks are very specific in the new 7th edition rules. My arguement is why would they give Immune to flaming attacks to a non-flamable model unless it is indeed going to be immune to all aspects of the attack. The whole thing about a flaming attack is that it affects flamable creatures.

As you will notice, in the new 7th edition; they are now specificly stating that some attacks are flaming attacks. For instace the Flaming sword of Chotec specifilly states that all attacks are flaming attacks.

I think the problem lies with the fact that some of the older books are being used and they have not been updated to 7th edition.

Plus, of course they need to release an FAQ for this in 7th edition.

So we all agree that High Elves with all their fancy rules are broken and gay.

Could i get an AMEN !! brothers !

I think this explains my view on the matter.

ROFL!

the flaming part a a cannonball or whatever would mean a troll for example would not get a 4+ regeneration save. as it would cauterize the damage inflicted by the weapon preventing the troll from healing. That makes sense. Interpreting it as meaning the 40lb flaming cannon ball would do nothing to an Elf wearing that armor seems like a pile of steaming "beat the system"bullshit. its not even worth arguing. I wouldnt play anyone who made the mistake of thinking I would except that interpretation.

J.C.
That little pic up there of yours made the ice tea come out through my nose on my keyboard.

thanks alot

JC that picture of yours is priceless, lol.

Fantastic, I love the pic.

And I think it's a little silly, but hopefully FAQ for the new edition will come out soon and everything will be clarified.

I mean, I just plan on shooting the Dragon Princes with a regular cannon, that way they're no issue. Luis just send the Bone Giant in, that'll solve all your problems.