Couple of general questions.

1. No idea, and this is one I'd like to know as well.

2. I still they take a panic test, but this is assuming that the Chariots are one unit correct? If they are seperate units then it's no can do because 1 unit has to be at least unit strength 5 or greater.

3. Yes you can, assuming you win combat you can either reface direction or reform ranks.

1- Stone throwers vs warmachine/chariot (ie: screaming bell ) are ALL models under the template hit, or do i have to randomize ? lik emy catapult scored a direct hit on a grey seer riding a screaming bell, do i have to randomize to see if th ebell or the seer gets hit, or is the whole model affected ?

If a template from the rock thrower is over both the chariot and the character, then they both take a hit. If the hole of the template is over the character, and thus the chariot, I believe you have to randomize it. Sam, correct me if I'm wrong about this.

2- Lets say a 20 strong unit gets charge on the rear by 3 chariots, unit strength 9, does the unit getting charged have to take a panic test since i sgetting charged in the rear ?

Units no longer take panic tests from being charged in the rear or flank. If the twenty strong unit is being charged by your chariot they may have to take a fear test, if they are not Immune to fear, since your chariots cause fear. But thats it.

3- my skeleton unit is deployed 10 wide, 2 deep, if they get charged and survived, can i redress the ranks and make them 5 wide 4 deep ?

The only movement you can do after WINNING combat is move up to 5 men to the front, or turn to face your flank. And this can only be done if you are only engaged with 1 enemy unit. So the anwser to your question is NO

For question 3, Only if you won combat, then yes.

Read the rule book guys
In the rule book it states specifically that if you win combat, you may chose to make an automatic reform if it means you can get more combatants to the front. So you are allowed to bring up to 5 men to the front rank.

You are NOT allowed to move more men to the back ranks.

So for question 3 Luis, the answer to your question is a resounding NO

Well, if I had a rulebook here it would help, but I don't. Sorry Luis, no luck for you.

luis the young wrote:couple of other things that came up in a game i had against JC.

1- Stone throwers vs warmachine/chariot (ie: screaming bell ) are ALL models under the template hit, or do i have to randomize ? lik emy catapult scored a direct hit on a grey seer riding a screaming bell, do i have to randomize to see if th ebell or the seer gets hit, or is the whole model affected ?

Yes, you randomize hits between the Bell and the Grey Seer (remember, if you hit the Bell, it resonates). This was FAQ'd in third edition and the rules haven't changed much in 4th (I'll double check when I have my rulebook with me, but believe that's the correct interpretation). Stephan???

luis the young wrote:2- Lets say a 20 strong unit gets charge on the rear by 3 chariots, unit strength 9, does the unit getting charged have to take a panic test since i sgetting charged in the rear ?

The unit should not have to take a panic test if charged in the rear. You used to (in 3rd edition) take a panic test if charged in the flank or rear by a unit with US5 or greater, while engaged to the front, but they've done away with that rule. If your unit causes fear or terror, the unit will still take those tests, but not a panic test just because it's being charged in the rear.

luis the young wrote:3- my skeleton unit is deployed 10 wide, 2 deep, if they get charged and survived, can i redress the ranks and make them 5 wide 4 deep ?

You may reform your unit, but cannot increase the number of ranks you have from the beginning of the engagement (you can always decrease the number of ranks, but not increase). Sorry man...no "extra" combat res for you!

Cool, thanks for the answers guys.

Hey Stephan, i got my codex here with me and The Destroyer of Eternities DOES benefit from Killing Blow and Great weapon when using the special attack, this is from the codex "if the special attack is, all enemy models that are touching the tomb king take two automatic hits. These hits do benefit from the special rules for great weapons and killing blow. If a character is riding a monster or a chariot. Then both take 2 automatic hits."

I love that weapon.

question.
1- Can skirmishers form ranks and benefit from rank bonuses, with banners and stuff ? (never used skirmishers)

2- How would an undead unit benefit from being stubborn ?

3- What counts as a "scoring unit" in wfb ?

luis the young wrote:1- Can skirmishers form ranks and benefit from rank bonuses, with banners and stuff ? (never used skirmishers)

No, skirmishers, in general, cannot benefit from ranks. If they are unit strength (US) 5 or greater at the END of combat, they may get a flank or rear bonus, but no ranks (except, of course, Beastmen, but they are special). Most skirmishing units cannot take a standard bearer (Beastmen are the only exception that comes to mind, and Mengels Manflayers, but I'm sure there are others), so you don't normally get a bonus for a standard with skirmishers.

luis the young wrote:2- How would an undead unit benefit from being stubborn ?

It wouldn't...what undead unit do you have that says it's stubborn?

luis the young wrote:3- What counts as a "scoring unit" in wfb ?

A scoring unit is any unit that has been reduced to 50% or less wounds/unit strength. So, your opponent would get points (score) if he put one wound on one of your characters that started the game with just 2 wounds, or 3 wounds on a 6 wound model, or killed 15 (or more) of 30 men/skellies/what ever in a regular unit. For a war machine, the unit counts as destroyed if either the machine or the crew are destroyed or are fleeing at the end of the game. For the purposes of taking/contesting table quarters, the unit must be at least US 5 at the end of the game.

I think Luis is asking these questions Sam in reference to the ARD BOYZ scenarios that you release, since he's playing TOMB Kings

BTW.. Since beastmen specifically line up 4 wide, as per their army book, they do not gain rank bonuses. This was never errattaed and the main reason why NO ONE plays with them anymore.

Luis, You were right about the DOE.... must've misread it. Thanks for the correction.

Ovich wrote:BTW.. Since beastmen specifically line up 4 wide, as per their army book, they do not gain rank bonuses. This was never errattaed and the main reason why NO ONE plays with them anymore.

They line up 4 wide on smaller units, but line up as normal against larger units...so if facing a unit 5 (or more) wide, they'd line up wide enough to get rank bonuses if they had enough to put 5 in the second and subsequent ranks (I'll have to double check the book when I get home, but remember some reference to this).

No, you're right Sam, they actually have to rank up like skirmishers, which can sometimes hurt them. Let's say you have 15 gors in a unit and you charge a 5 wide unit of the enemy. you have to put 5 gors, plus 2 on the corners, which makes you 7 wide, and only able to form up 1 full rank.

Plus, they can only have at max 2 ranks.

Against smaller units like chariots it sucks even more, because then they can only form up 4 wide, and thus get no rank bonuses.

Plus they also suck because 7th edition made skirmishers unable to negate ranks on the flank. So out of all they armies (except maybe wood elves) they were hurt by this rule the most.