Unsportsmanlike conduct or Psychological advantage?

Not all, I see it that your using guile an psychological methods in the game which i dont have a problem with. I do agree cheating n unsporty are two separate entities.

So you are telling me that you wouldnt be upset if you think my HQ is on truk-a, and you destroy it, but since i didnt say nor did i had a model on the truk representing my HQ, and i say that is on another truk, you wouldnt think it would be cheesy ?

Or lets put it this way, i make a truk with a 20inch long arm and a 4 inch ball at the end and call it my Wrekkin ball truk conversion, perfectly legal from the ork codex, you wouldnt mind if i play with that ??

Measuring up 11 inches and marking it to make your oponent think thats the 12 inch mark may not be cheating, but is very unsporstmanlike, and if you think thats ok, then next time i play you i will bring my Trukks conversions and see how fun you think it will be then

But you want me to convince you? Ok, i'll give it a shot.

1. Would you say that it is customary for people to mark their deployment zone, as per the example they give in the 40k rule book?
2. Would you say that most people use a dice or other object to mark said deployment zone?
3. Would you say that by purposely marking the deployment zone at 11 inches, you are hoping to fool or decieve your opponent into believing that you are deploying at a certain distance, when in fact you are not.

Now imagine that during a game with you Alex, I consistently attempted to tell you that I was measuring 36 inches on my tape measure, when in fact I was actually measuring 38 inches, let's say covering up the extra 2 inches with my thumb. What if I was relying on the hope that you would not pay attention to this fact and that you trusted the fact that I would not deceive you when it came to something as simple as measuring distance. If you caught me doing it.. What would you tell me?

Good job.. ya got be buddy? Gee I didn't notice you were doing that all game until now, oh well I guess that's my dumb ass?
You would probably be upset and accuse me of cheating.

That's my point. You're taking advantage of the trust your opponent puts in you as a fellow gamer, as a person who will follow the rules .

Thats still not a good example because the way you have explained it is on the contrary to mine, your example is against the rules in the book of 40k and against the rule set of the weapon being fired and that is cheating, what I'm doing there is nothing wrong with in the rule set.

Luis, your wreckin ball thing is fine, its legal in the codex, its legal in game. You might get a bad sports man score cause of it but w/e thats your opponents problem. I always get bad sportsmanship score because people have problem with the Monolith, so i know when i bring two or three i dont care about sportsmanship at that point, im there to win. I don't play "for fun" games that much cause i dont have time for them so i mainly go to tournys and i bring lists that are hard and cheesed in some way.

So what you're saying is that as long as a method of deception is not officially specified in the rules, it's fair game?
The rule book has to actually say "A player may not place a set of markers upon the table under the 12 inches deployment zone in order to represent an actual 12 inch deployments zone " in order for it to be considered cheating. ?

So let's say I'm assaulting you and I get 10 attacks and I roll 12 dice hoping you'll miss the fact that I rolled 2 extra dice. Does it have to say in the rule book " A player may never roll more dice than represented on the models attack profile" in order for it to be considered cheating? It doesn't say anything about rolling extra dice in the rule book, so I guess it's ok then?

I'm not following your line of reasoning.

I think this is a dirty underhanded trick, I don't consider it cheating but I probably won't trust/like the person doing this and I probably won't play them anymore. I mean cmon guys! Why would you have to use this cheap trick in a game of little plastic soldiers where the point is to have fun

I think lying about a scenario like that, basically placing something at 11 inches while saying that it is actually 12 iinches in is deceptive and unbecoming of the game. I think we can all agree that the standard of measurement within this game is what we rely on as a constant. When an opponent lies about how far in he deploys a unit, he is lying to his opponent.....plain and simple. I think it's telling regarding the strategy of some within our number that they would be willing to lie to thier opponents for a strategic edge. This is not war, This is a BOARDGAME, with rules and standards. There is no place for intentional deception in this game. From now on Alex, I think we should all make sure and supervise your deployments very closely......This will clear up any deception or "misinformation" as you consider it.

Max,
Why don't you chime in as well, since obviously you don't see at as unsportsmanlike or cheating.

OOPS sorry I was away for the weekend actually PLAYING the game.

In friendly game I think this may be alittle "unbecoming of the BOARDGAME" but at tournaments where you dont give a rats ass about the opponents you are free to coerce opponents, as long as you dont CHEAT them on movement or picking dice that didn't hit or accept a roll that fell out of your hands ETC.

I have to agree with Stephan on this. In the rulebooks it shows the deployment zones a certain way. If you are going to use dice to map out for the deployment zone then yes, I consider it cheating. Now if you just use the ruler and deploy each unit then no. But if the other player asks how far are those dice in the deploymetn zone and you lie and say 12 inches and they are 11 then the cheater deserves a kick in the nads.

Besides, I am not sure how it is done now, but in the old days of the grand tournament they gave out sportsmanship scores and if a player consistently got bad scores the GMs would talk to that player and find out what was going on. I remember this happening in one that I was at where they actually threatened to kick the player out. A consistantly bad score would mean a player would not win the tournament no matter how bad he killed his opponents.

The best way to deal with people that do this is just not to play them again. When these people see that no one wants to play with them because they cheat they will stop doing it.

Agreed!

Agreed!

Its not cheating, boo hoo, ill do it to you anyways.

Go ahead... not many people have felt the peculiar sensation of having a monolith shoved up their ass.

except for maybe richard gere.

3 monoliths, thats a list or just 3 models?