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Phil your coolness meeter has skyrocketed. 
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Re: Hard Facts.
Bill,
There are 13.2 million jews world wide. About 11 million reside in Israel and the U.S.
Here's some stats off of Wikipedia.. Sam I don't know if they contradict or coincide with your knowledge.
There are 13.2 million jews world wide. About 11 million reside in Israel and the U.S.
Here's some stats off of Wikipedia.. Sam I don't know if they contradict or coincide with your knowledge.
Stockpile
The State of Israel has never made public any details of its nuclear capability or arsenal. The following is a history of estimates by many different reputable sources on the size and strength of Israel's nuclear arsenal.
* 1967 (Six Day War)- 2 bombs[40]; 13 bombs[41]
* 1969- 5-6 bombs of 19 kilotons yield each[42]
* 1973 (Yom Kippur War)- 13 bombs[43]; 20 nuclear missiles plus developed a suitcase bomb[44]
* 1974- 3 capable artillery battalions each with 12 175 mm tubes and a total of 108 warheads;[45] 10 bombs[46]
* 1976- 10-20 nuclear weapons[47]
* 1980- 200 bombs[48]
* 1984- 12-31 atomic bombs;[49] 31 plutonium bombs and 10 uranium bombs[50]
* 1985- at least 100 nuclear bombs[51]
* 1986- 100 to 200 fission bombs and a number of fusion bombs[52]
* 1991- 50-60 to 200-300[53]
* 1992- more than 200 bombs[54]
* 1994- 64-112 bombs (5 kg/warhead);[55] 50 nuclear tipped Jericho missiles, 200 total[56]
* 1995- 66-116 bombs (at 5 kg/warhead)[57]; 70-80 bombs[58]; "A complete Repertoire" (neutron bombs, nuclear mines, suitcase bombs, submarine-bourne)[59]
* 1996- 60-80 plutonium weapons, maybe more than 100 assembled, ER variants, varitable yields[60]
* 1997- More than 400 deliverable thermonuclear and nuclear weapons (an intentionally high estimate)[61]
* 2002– Between 75 and 200 weapons[62]
[edit] Delivery systems
Israeli military forces possess land, air, and sea based methods for deploying their nuclear weapons, thus forming a rudimentary nuclear triad, although it should be noted that the Israeli triad is mainly short to medium ranged, the backbone of which is submarine launched cruise missiles and medium ranged ballistic missiles, with Israeli Air Force tactical aircraft fulfilling the role normally played by strategic bombers in the Russian and American strategic deterrent. [63]
[edit] Missiles
Main article: Jericho missile
Ernst David Bergmann was the first to seriously began thinking about a ballistic missile capability and Israel test-fired its first Shavit II missile in July 1961.[64] It was not until 1963 when Israel actually put a large-scale project into motion, spending $100 million to jointly develop and build 25 medium-range missiles with the French aerospace company Dassault. The Israeli project, codenamed Project 700, also included the construction of a missile field at Hirbat Zacharia, a site west of Jerusalem.[65] The missiles that were first developed with France became the Jericho I system, first operational in 1971; they were updated to Jericho II in the mid 1980s and Jericho III in the mid 2000s.
[edit] Aircraft
* Lockheed Martin F-16I Sufa ("Storm")
* McDonnell Douglas/Boeing F-15 Eagle Baz 2000 (A/B/C/D/E)
[edit] Marine
In 2003 it was reported that Israel's three Dolphin class submarines were armed with US Harpoon missiles and tipped with nuclear warheads,[66] giving Israel a secure second strike capability.[67]
[edit] Other
Seymour Hersh reports that Israel developed the ability to miniaturize warheads small enough to fit in a suitcase by the year 1973.[68]
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Re: Hard Facts.
In the interest of staying out of Levinworth...I've said as much as I can on the subject.

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He Might have to kill you if he says anything else.

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Re: Hard Facts.
So any competant air force could shoot down their Bombers. I.E. the U.S., U.K.,Germany,France,Italy...NATO oh yeah, the Russians and China. So I dont think they'll be destroying the world to save their asses anytime soon. Im sure Israels' allies will protect them...as we have done since their inception.
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Re: Hard Facts.
Again what do they need 200 nukes for?
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Re: Hard Facts.
Well, it says they also have submarines, tomahawks, and and of course the Jericho III. So wrong again Bill.
Why would they need 200 Nukes? Why does the U.S.A need about 10,000 warheads? 2,000 of those are operationally deployed. Same with Russia...
Jericho III is thought to have been in service since mid-2005. With a payload of 1,000 - 1,300 kg it has a range of 6,500-7000km[2][3], and probably significantly greater with a payload of 350kg (one Israeli nuclear warhead). This gives Israel nuclear strike capability against Africa, Europe, and most of Asia.
On 17 January 2008 Israel test fired a multi-stage ballistic missile believed to be of the Jericho III type reportedly capable of carrying "Special warheads".[2]
Why would they need 200 Nukes? Why does the U.S.A need about 10,000 warheads? 2,000 of those are operationally deployed. Same with Russia...
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Re: Hard Facts.
Military Strength of Israel vs...plug in Egypt,Syria and Iran. Israel might need those nukes.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp
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Re: Hard Facts.
yeah.. exactly. Israel is strong for it's size, but it still has a population half the size of Florida.
Just to give you a glimpse of how lucky I am to even exist. My mother was born in 1942 in Budapest Hungary.
Just to give you a glimpse of how lucky I am to even exist. My mother was born in 1942 in Budapest Hungary.
One tenth of the Holocaust's Jewish victims were Hungarian Jews, resulting in a total of over 550,000 deaths. The Hungarian Horthy regime deported those 20,000 Jews from annexed Transcarpathian Ukraine who weren't able to account for Hungarian citizenship in 1941 to Kamianets-Podilskyi in the German-occupied Ukraine, where they were shot by the German Einsatzgruppen detachments. Hungarian army and police units killed 3000 Jews and Serbs in Novi Sad in January 1942. Horthy resisted German demands for mass deportation of Hungarian Jews until March 1944, when Nazis occupied Hungary. By the beginning of July 1944, 437,000 Jews had been deported to Auschwitz, including those 20,000 who were refugees from the neighboring countries. The mass deportations stopped in July when world leaders appealed to Horthy, following the escape from Auschwitz of Rudolf Vrba and Alfréd Wetzler, whose story about the mass murder taking place inside the camp was published in June by the BBC and The New York Times. In October 1944, the Horthy regime was replaced by the fascist Arrow Cross Party led by Ferenc Szálasi. Seventy thousand Jews were forced on a death march to Austria — thousands were shot on the way, and thousands more died of starvation and exposure.[41]
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Re: Hard Facts.
What does Israel need Multi stage ICBM's for? Arent all of their enemies regional? Who are they gonna nuke across the Medeterainian.
Russia and the U.S. have those numbers of warheads because of this little conflict called the cold war...you remember that? It ran from 1946-1992. Who is Israel in a nuclear arms race with? Was it Oman or the UAE.
A Theocracy possessing nuclear capabilities with a sense of entitlement...very scary.
Russia and the U.S. have those numbers of warheads because of this little conflict called the cold war...you remember that? It ran from 1946-1992. Who is Israel in a nuclear arms race with? Was it Oman or the UAE.
A Theocracy possessing nuclear capabilities with a sense of entitlement...very scary.
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Stephan Im not arguing that the Nazi's were motherfuckers...my Grandfather was killed fighting them. They deserved the absolute beat down they got. We beat them down so bad they made it against the law to be pro-Nazi in Germany. Yes you are lucky as we all are and thankfully we live in the most powerful Democracy...hell ,nation on the planet.
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Re: Hard Facts.
A Theocracy possessing nuclear capabilities with a sense of entitlement...very scary.
Sounds like the U.S.
Israel is not a theocracy. Israel operates under a parliamentary system as a democratic country. And you would do well to remember that they are the only Democracy in that region. Please do not confuse Israel with Arab nations who are actually run by Imams and Khomeni's and all the other muslim fanatics.
The cold war's been over for 15 years and both U.S and Russia still have the capacity to annihilate every single living thing on this planet many times over. So please Bill, stop talking out of your ass.
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And what would you propose they put these nukes since the conflict is over. Up their asses. They have nowhere to put them so they simply maintain them until they figure out what to do. You didnt answer my question Stephan...since you seem to be a spokesman for Israel and feel they can do no wrong, what do they need 200 nukes for mounted on ICBM's, if their enemies are regional and dont have the best air forces in the world. On Israel being a Theocracy...they are referred to as a "Jewish State" correct, they have a religious symbol on their flag, the Star of David...correct. The entire inception of Israel was for a specific religious group...correct. Again what about all of the non jJewish people who were living in Israel(Palestine) for generations who were kicked out a displaced for this reason? Is that ok? What the UN did is what has started all of this hell the Israeli's and Arab nations have suffered over the decades. Thats like taking all of the Catholics of the world and putting them in Italy and throwing out the people there who arent Catholic. I realize youll never even say you remotely see my point, but thats ok. Im not as ignorant about that region as you think. I can google and cut and paste as well as the next guy. Perhaps I will as this discussion continues.
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Re: Hard Facts.
I am not siding with anyone here... however, Isreal is not a theocracy. It is true that they all happen to be jewish and they have the star of david on the flag but that does not make them a theocracy.
Here are a few definitions for a theocracy.
Rule by religion. A government that is based on theistic beliefs. Iran is a theocracy.
Any government in which the leaders of the government are also the leaders of the religion and they rule as representatives of the deity.
A government based on religious beliefs. The head of the government is generally considered to rule by divine guidance and may be worshiped as a god
A government ruled by or subject to religious authority. This is a government where 'church and state' are not separate.
Just wanted to clarify what a theocracy is and to show that I can cut and paste too!
Here are a few definitions for a theocracy.
Rule by religion. A government that is based on theistic beliefs. Iran is a theocracy.
Any government in which the leaders of the government are also the leaders of the religion and they rule as representatives of the deity.
A government based on religious beliefs. The head of the government is generally considered to rule by divine guidance and may be worshiped as a god
A government ruled by or subject to religious authority. This is a government where 'church and state' are not separate.
Just wanted to clarify what a theocracy is and to show that I can cut and paste too!

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Oh and this is the flames of war section not the war of flames. Doesnt this constitute a discussion on politics and religion.. both of which are taboo on this forum?? Look at me, I just moderated! Discussion over 

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